Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me?

Taylor Marsh spends a good bit of her webpage whining today that John Edwards and Barack Obama should not go negative on Hillary Clinton.  I engaged.  Why should this election, alone in history, feature a putative frontrunner who goes unchallenged for the nomination?

Her position - that republicans will pick up the attacks "when" hillary becomes the nominee.  What an argument!  Republicans don't know how to engage an opponent unless John Edwards does it first.

Marsh is a hack.  Her attacks on Edwards span the gamut from laughable (such as this one) to slanderous (as when she calls him sexist and racist).  She is really hardly worth the time.

Nevertheless, I engaged, and she banned me and scrubbed several of my comments.  The offense?  The scrubbed comment was the one in which I pointed out that, in claiming that Edwards was "taking heat" on his ad, her only link was to her own post.  It wasn't the flamewar posts that I engaged in that did it.  Those are still up and you can look them up at her amateurish site.

It was where I caught her being dishonest.

The funny thing is, she bounced and scrubbed me moments after posting how brave and unafraid of the 'Edwards brigade" she was.

Well, she's a coward.  

She's a bought and paid for dishonest coward.


Poll
Taylor Marsh is
meaningless
in the pocket of the Clinton campaign
who now?
hurting for cash and desperate for Clinton ads

Votes: 37
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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bock bock bock bock buckAWWW (2.00 / 3)


by DrFrankLives on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 04:45:23 PM EST

she should know that she's (2.00 / 3)

venturing away from progressive principles when she starts agreeing with areyouready/prison break/leaf.

it's fine to have her own opinion and use her blog to promote hillary and bash obama and edwards but she doesn't acknowledge it.

she should take a note from her candidate and just learn to admit she's rooting for hillary and not try to have it both ways


"Lobbyists Represent 'Real' Americans" - Hillary Clinton
by TarHeel on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 05:05:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: bock bock bock bock buckAWWW (2.00 / 2)

Sorry to hear this. I knew Taylor Marsh wasn't a deep thinker, and was in the tank for Hillary while pretending not to be, but I thought that she--unlike, say, Batt Sowers of Openleft--allowed dissent.

It's your gain, DFL; you'll be a little smarter not having to go over there.


by david mizner on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 07:53:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: bock bock bock bock buckAWWW (2.00 / 2)

I didn't know she was a blogger.

I saw her on MSNBC last week and figured she was some radio person.

Yeah, she said criticizing Hillary is the same as criticizing the Democratic party.

Funny, actually, since many people consider Hillary a Democrat In Name Only.


by Bush Bites on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:08:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I didn't know about this (none / 0)

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/ 2007/09/hillarys-prayer-3.html

hillary sponsored a bill with Santorum that was too right wing for Arlen Specter to sign onto..


"Lobbyists Represent 'Real' Americans" - Hillary Clinton
by TarHeel on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:21:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: bock bock bock bock buckAWWW (2.00 / 1)

I realized how disingenuous and downright nefarious she was last week when after a week of condemning John Edwards for what she perceived as a 'bubba strategy' in making his case for electability in contrast to Senator Clinton, she posted a video of Joe Scarborough arguing that Senator Obama can not win because "Reagan Democrats will not vote for an African American."  Rather than condemning Joe Scarborough for pandering to racist fears, she used this video to validate her opposition to Senator Obama's candidacy, which often borders on the irrational.  It's clear that she has a hyper-sensitivity and zero tolerance to even the perception of sexism but complete tolerance and acceptance of racism when it furthers her cause: getting Hillary Clinton elected.


by Dee on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:34:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

one less site for you to read (2.00 / 8)

I almost never go to her site anyway. I find her style very condescending.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 04:47:04 PM EST

Re: one less site for you to read (none / 0)

I just revisited her site this morning and she deleted drfranklives comments he posted last night, and she told me that I was attacking her personally because she must have hit a nerve when disparaging John by implying he's using code when appealing to rural America on his electability.  She stated in one of her posts that rural Americans would never vote for a black person or a woman.  Yep, her words.  Oh and she stands by her analysis.  I'm expecting to be banned any minute, because I'm pretty sure she doesn't like it when she's exposed for who she really is.


by santamonicadem on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 11:47:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (none / 0)

You are probably mad that she just doesn't follow in the same lines of those so called pundits ( meme to Matthews) and bash clinton.

You know she actually is fair to Clinton.


When I speak I have a southern drawl.. When you come down here Stop and say hello I'm an American from south of the Mason Dixon line
by lori on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 04:49:10 PM EST

if by "fair to" (2.00 / 6)

you mean "carries water for"

Look, it's simple, you guys feel sh has a right to the nomination.

Edwards feels the people have the right to vote.


by DrFrankLives on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 04:50:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

drudge, taylor and republico (2.00 / 2)

often run with the same Hillary talking points which is why her claim of "reporting" is silly..

reposting campaign talking points is hardly reporting


"Lobbyists Represent 'Real' Americans" - Hillary Clinton
by TarHeel on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 07:39:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

are you really that confused? (none / 0)

it is your boy who has picked up the chriss mtthews - Russert script -

many, it never stops shocking me how little you loudest folks actually understand..

show me where hillary has followed any media attack line and attacked either Edwards or O...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 07:45:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (1.00 / 3)

"Fair" meaning "stuck up her butt".


by Namtrix on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 04:57:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (2.00 / 1)

A lot of people have been so used to listening to self styled progressive bloggers and radio hosts bash Clinton that when they see one being actually fair to her , they scream bloody murder.


When I speak I have a southern drawl.. When you come down here Stop and say hello I'm an American from south of the Mason Dixon line
by lori on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 05:00:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (none / 0)

You're right...Chris Matthews would NEVER stoop to arguing that Senator Obama is unelectable because of his race as she did last week when she posted a video of Joe Scarborough making that argument.


by Dee on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:35:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (1.33 / 3)

Taylor Marsh is great!!!


by prisonbreak on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 04:52:20 PM EST

my point is made (2.00 / 8)

Prisonbreak/areyouready likes her.


by DrFrankLives on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 04:54:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (2.00 / 1)

Personal attacks such as this have no place on a reputable site.

I don't know either you or the subject of your attack, but dislike reading such petty comments.


by susie on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 04:53:07 PM EST

she's a public figure (2.00 / 6)

she;s a prominent Hillary blogger, and I caught her being dishonest in a post, and she banned me for it.

That's worth discussing.  I would discuss it on her site, but, oops, she banned me.


by DrFrankLives on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 04:55:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

she is a liberal blogger (none / 0)

who calls them like she sees them...

Stick to the content and drop the name calling. No one is chaining you to her URL.


by SF Bay on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 05:29:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: she is a liberal blogger (2.00 / 1)

Actually she slipped a few weeks ago and admitted that she worked for Clinton.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:00:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

and you don't have to read it (2.00 / 7)

you certainly don't have to comment on it.


by DrFrankLives on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 04:55:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: and you don't have to read it (none / 0)

BINGO - take your own advice and delete this diary.


by SF Bay on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 05:30:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (none / 0)

I agree 100%.  These "I've been banned" diaries that want to "discuss" WHY these people are being banned on sites like Dkos, openleft, Huffpost or Taylor Marsh are ridiculous.   Usually the people who have these diaries act like trolls, so they get canned.  Big whoop.  We are supposed to discuss that HERE?   How incredibly self-absorbed.

The only way I can see this make for good discussion fodder is if one of us goes on Freerepublic or Redstate to "concern-troll," eventually gets trounced and then reports about it here.   This cheap attack stuff on a poster who has frontpage privileges on this site (crescendoing at the end into what amounts to slander) is tasteless.


by georgep on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 07:13:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (2.00 / 1)

I dont think anyone is afraid of you


Rise, Hillary, Rise
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 04:56:07 PM EST

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (2.00 / 1)

Taylor Marsh is nuts. She used to piss me off. But now I just feel sorry for her.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 05:09:02 PM EST

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (none / 0)

You guys are outrageous.  Now you're gunning for Taylor?  

These Edwards supporters who are attacking Taylor are despicable.

Just stop it.  It's going too far.


by FilbertSF on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 05:11:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I didn't attack her until she lied (2.00 / 4)

then I really got mad when she claimed to be so fearless, while at the same time scrubbing comments.

Without so much as a "comment deleted by blog author"

That is dishonest and unethical blogging.


by DrFrankLives on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 05:13:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (2.00 / 6)

I'm an Obama supporter attacking her. She's deserves to be attacked for calling Russert's treatment of Hillary "nakedly sexist." I agree he was gunning for her, but not because of her genitalia. It was as stupid commentary borne of passion and hysteria. So I feel sorry for her.

She's lost all credibility.


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 05:18:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Now russert is your hero? (none / 0)

Whose side are you on?


by glenpb1 on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 09:04:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

hell (1.00 / 2)

yesterday they slimed McGovern and Mondale because they DARED to endorse Hillary....these people are whiny angry little children..

youve noticed that they keep begfging the sites administrators for the right to BAN those that disagree with them..

Obviously, they have issues...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 07:48:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: hell (2.00 / 2)


Mondale just endorsed Hillary because her losing 50 states will make his 49-state loss look a little better.
by Bush Bites on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:12:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

yeah degrade a man (none / 0)

a million times better than obama and edwards tyied toge6ther and multiplied by a gqazillion...

two fucking egomaniacs that have done almost nothing in their lives but decide that they should run the planet...

i really cant believe anyone would be so dim to back these egomaniacs -

Afyter their performance last week, im just telling the truth from now till feb 8 -

and then you can just go join Nader  - and btw

you wont be missed...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:41:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: hell (none / 0)

Incredible. Absolutely incredible.  You make a ridiculous, nonsensical anti-Democratic party like that and get mojo for it.  Anyone who revels in the idea that the possible Democratic nominee would lose 50 states (I won't even bother with how ludicrous that is) and manages to denigrate a good Democrat like Fritz Mondale at the same time isn't a true Dem, in my humble opinion.  That people applauded you for it is even worse.

Are you really that bitter?  Why not just congratulate Hillary and move on?

I don't even know why I'm surprised by this crap anymore.  Edwards supporters love to blame Clinton supporters for everything that's wrong with site, but then group up to do exactly what they're always bitching about.  Just take a look at the rampant ratings abuse in this thread. Disagree with an Edwards supporter and you get TR'd into oblivion.  It's petty and very, very sad.


Yes, I am a Clintonista for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 09:05:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

i did no such thing (none / 0)

Mondale and McGovern are above reproach.

They're wrong though.


by DrFrankLives on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 11:52:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (2.00 / 1)

Didn't you burn Atlanta to the ground?


by SF Bay on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 05:31:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (2.00 / 1)

Yes. And those rebs deserved it!


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 06:26:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (none / 0)

You probably deserved it- I don't believe your explanation- God only knows what you have "left out."


NY TIMES ENDORSEMENT: "Mrs. Clinton is more qualified, right now, to be president.... She would be a strong commander in chief."
by reasonwarrior on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 05:10:50 PM EST

nothing. you can go read the posts left up (2.00 / 3)

and then note that the one taken down was the one that called her on her BS.


by DrFrankLives on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 05:11:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: nothing. you can go read the posts left up (none / 0)

Would that be the part where you called her a liar?


by SF Bay on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 05:31:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

oops! (none / 0)

there it is...

he seems to have left that part out...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 06:49:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (none / 0)

Funny.. when I first looked at this dark gif I thought I was looking at George Bush. No kidding.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 05:10:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (2.00 / 4)

shoe fits-


by DrFrankLives on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 05:40:01 PM EST

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (none / 0)

Again, who has the blog? Who communicates regularly with the campaigns for comments? Who has the internet radio show? Who actually makes a living at this? You? NO, Taylor Marsh


by SF Bay on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 05:45:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

you're right - I have a real job (2.00 / 3)

which I spent today neglecting, so I have to spend tonight working.  

the internet is a drug.


by DrFrankLives on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 05:58:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

well, at least you can watch (none / 0)

your hero matthews whilst you do -

me, Ive hated him since he led the knifing of Gore in 2000..

but i bet you were a bradley guy then - so you enjoyed that too.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 07:50:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: well, at least you can watch (none / 0)

jesus now bradley is the enemy? what happened to your whole "dont betray the party, aiding and abetting" talking point?


zombies are coming
by leewesley on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 09:27:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (2.00 / 1)

Not sure she hates men totally because she seems to have an obsession with Senator Obama.  


by Dee on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 06:26:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

im way male (none / 0)

and its obvious that you are one misogynistic sexist fella....its pretty clear, its not like your subtle about it..


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 06:51:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (none / 0)

I have nothing but admiration for Taylor Marsh.  She is a truth seeker.  Go Taylor!!


The Facts: Please Read
by Regan on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 05:40:08 PM EST

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (1.50 / 2)

Taylor Marsh speaks truth, she is not afraid to challenge MSM's BS.


by prisonbreak on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 06:21:46 PM EST

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (2.00 / 3)

"Marsh is a hack."  Couldn't agree more.  Anyone who disputes that need look no further than her her recent embarrassing appearance on Abrams.  Any blogger who results to calling her readers (20 in total) ignorant or other names when they disagree with her is a hack.


by Dee on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 06:24:14 PM EST

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (2.00 / 1)

Yes, I felt really bad for her


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 06:27:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

any dem who doesnt fight the msm (none / 0)

especially msnbc is not only a coward  - but also a fool..

notice which campaigns are now buds with matthews and russert?

did ya notice how they treated gore in 2000 and promoted bush?

do you have any clue?


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 06:53:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Clinton fans love Taylor Marsh (2.00 / 4)

because she's so good about taking the Clinton campaign talking points and running with them.

She's reliable; I guess that's one positive.


by okamichan13 on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 06:40:59 PM EST

Ah (2.00 / 4)

I like an all of the above on your poll!

Taylor Marsh is not reliable for the most part, I have never been able to get much out of her post!   I say the scale is tipped!  IMO


Check out the New Progressive Blog EENRBLOG
by dk2 on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 06:47:45 PM EST

year, your a chris matthew kinda guy (1.00 / 2)

right?...

just like your boy trippi...

I guess we should forget how he trashed Gore in 2000 huh....oh that was long ago...and since he hates Hillary...he's gotta be good...right?


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 06:55:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Taylor Marsh has jumped the shark. (2.00 / 3)

Her defense of the 1950's retro "don't hit me, I'm a girl" tactics of the Clinton campaign in the past week is just way beyond the pale. Clinton was treated EXACTLY the same in that debate as a male frontrunner would have been in her position.

I'm a woman and my question is, as women, do we want equality, or do we want special privilege? Clinton has been treated as an equal, but it looks like she's going for special privileges. "She who must be obeyed" to quote some British TV show. No frontrunner I can remember was spared any hard questions by his or her rivals.


by sirius on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 06:57:08 PM EST

hey i think (none / 0)

chris matthews copyrighted that rant!

give it back!


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 07:52:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Taylor Marsh has jumped the shark. (none / 0)

Victimhood may work for Hillary in the Democratic Primaries, but it will kill her in the General.


by Bush Bites on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:18:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Pelosi's comments. (2.00 / 3)

By the way, Nancy Pelosi says that Clinton's campaign played the gender card, and she ought to know. She's taken fire from both sides of the aisle ever since she got her job as Speaker, and so far as I am aware she has never once claimed it was because she was being targeted for being female.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2 008/Story?id=3821689&page=1


by sirius on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 07:17:47 PM EST

don't expect taylor (2.00 / 2)

to blog this.

I haven't heard this anywhere but pretty amazing that Pelosi says this


"Lobbyists Represent 'Real' Americans" - Hillary Clinton
by TarHeel on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 07:38:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Pelosi's comments. (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, I know Nancy's not very popular in the blogosphere, but I think she's got class.


by Bush Bites on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:19:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I like tough primaries (2.00 / 1)

 I understand how Hillary supporters feel. They feel like the nomination is all decided but for the votes. They don't want wounds that the Republicans will exploit in the general election. Hillary supporters are partisan Democrats, are loyal Democrats, and they don't want to see what happened to Al Gore happen to Hillary.

To my way of thinking, its not a real primary when half the deck is off the table. Character issues are issues that matter, and they need to be addressed before the votes are cast. Ethical issues matter, and they need to be put out there before the primary votes are cast.

Democracy is messy, but I want the whole mess. I don't want people pulling punches because someone is black or a woman or the prohibitive favorite.

I want an election.


by alarabi7 on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 07:49:18 PM EST

half very smart (2.00 / 1)

half very wrong..

first off...."charchter' in politics is GOP code for...lets defeat democrats.../

second - our PARTYS PRIMARY PROCESS ISNT SET UP TO amuse OR entertain OR EVEN EDUCATE you...its to pick a candidate and to prepare to run in the election and to win the White House.

You had it right that we are fearful that Obama and edwards are acting just like bradley - and risking giving ammo to our foes just like Bradley did in 2000 when HE - not the GOP introduced the word LIAR into that election....

Remember how that ended up?

And who goaded Bradley into FIGHTING BACK with gore? ....Lets see....Russert aand Matthews...

You have this so almost right....please go visit my friend the dailyhowlers site - and read up about these clowns in the media....you know the new scripters for both the edwards and obama campaigns...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 07:59:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: half very smart (2.00 / 1)

I think character matters and I think it has mattered since humans have been around. I think it is a revision of history, at a very convenient time, to blame Bradley for Gore's image problems.

I supported Al Gore. He was not a very good candidate, he was not very likable, he was wonkish, and let himself be way over-consulted. I still remember cringing when he showed up to that debate painted up like Ronald Reagan and bobbing his head just like him.

I like wonkish, Americans typically tend not to, but I think the country would choose informed and engaged over likable at this point. What Al Gore learned and reminded the consultant class is it is better to be authentic and flawed than flawed and fake. So what I am getting at is Al gore had a chance to use that Primary to hone his campaigning skills. Unfortunately he learned the wrong lessons  IMO. I think he would tell you that today. He still managed to win the nation by a razor anyway.  

We just have different philosophies about the role of the primary process. I understand where you are coming from though.


by alarabi7 on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:18:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

well, you seem to have adopted the entire media (none / 0)

script aabout Gore...

i suggest that you go and read www.dailyhowler.com and go to the archives and read about how Bradley first used the word LIE - aat the prompting of matthews and Russert - before the gOP dared to -

that then aallowed six months of gore is a liar stories ....thatat were ALL BOGUS ....but hey  - who cares?  The media was having fun!

Ive led you to tthe site where you can learn about these things, if you choose to remain in the dark...its up to you...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:45:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The "Gore Script" (none / 0)

Back in 2000, I felt exactly like alarabi7:

"I supported Al Gore. He was not a very good candidate, he was not very likable, he was wonkish, and let himself be way over-consulted. I still remember cringing when he showed up to that debate painted up like Ronald Reagan and bobbing his head just like him."

I had favored Bradley, but campaigned for Gore, anyway. I think he's a good man, but he was not a good candidate in 2000 (let alone his unfortunate VP pick)

I don't know why you call that a 'Gore Script'. It's what some people truly felt about Gore in 2000.

And stop plugging your friend's site. I understand you appreciate his insight, but your political arguing shouldn't rest on other people's websites, but rather on your OWN understanding - articulated in your OWN words.


"The way to win a Presidential race against the Republicans is to develop the class warfare issue..." Lee Atwater, Bush `88 campaign manager.
by aufklaerer on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 07:13:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

its where you can get educated (none / 0)

the archivess can explain where you got confused...that you dont know about the howler is a disgrace...i suggest you google him, read aboutt 1000 pages of his stuff and stop being such an uneducated voter.

al gore husself told me that bob was the smartest guy hes ever known..

believe me pal, hes a helluva lot smarter than you and he could help you understand whats going on...

I keep telling people to read him in order to get some remedial help...

but many would rather just stay opinionated - not actually informed...

your choice..


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 10:55:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: half very smart (none / 0)

If Hillary can't handle Edwards and Obama, she has no chance against the Repub Random Destruction Machine.

If she can handle them, the practise will be good for her.


by Bush Bites on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:22:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

this is a Government server (none / 0)

I didn't know half this stuff - is Edwards responsible for this too?

http://thomas.loc.gov/icreport/6narrit.h tm

why is Hillary a feminist again?


"Lobbyists Represent 'Real' Americans" - Hillary Clinton
by TarHeel on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:29:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

you just dont get it... (none / 0)

sshe is and will crush those guys...

its about how they are now JUSTIFYING and BACKING UP the media and GOP scripts and attacks...l;iuke the white House papers deal...

ALL DEMS should be backing the Clintons on this because the media and the GOP want these papers to search thru them to find tthings to embarass the clintons  which will hurt us long term...and fucking Obama is jUSTIFYING THEM?

What a raging fool!

I thought the guy was bright - Im sure he is - but politically - he;s dumber than a brick...

read the  www,dailyhowler.com

use the archives, understand how this works....and doont you dare insult Mindale again -

unless it was just a joke -

and then it was kind of funny...

but hes a very good man and you owe him respect...unless ypou really are a frigging naderite interloper...


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Democrat Party "Hack" and President Harry S Truman
by holden caulfield on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:50:38 PM EST
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BTW: Orthography, Typos, Terms of Engagement (none / 0)

I was taught to write properly both to ensure I am understood - and to show respect to the people who read my stuff.

And why would you wanna debate with people who don't respect you?


"The way to win a Presidential race against the Republicans is to develop the class warfare issue..." Lee Atwater, Bush `88 campaign manager.
by aufklaerer on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 07:22:24 AM EST
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Re: you just dont get it... (none / 0)

"...will crush those guys...fucking Obama...What a raging fool!...he;s dumber than a brick...unless ypou really are a frigging naderite interloper..."

How
Old
Are
You?


"The way to win a Presidential race against the Republicans is to develop the class warfare issue..." Lee Atwater, Bush `88 campaign manager.
by aufklaerer on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 07:26:32 AM EST
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If hillary's the nominee (2.00 / 1)

expect GOP people to hand out Lewinsky cigars


"Lobbyists Represent 'Real' Americans" - Hillary Clinton
by TarHeel on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 07:59:35 PM EST
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Re: If hillary's the nominee (none / 0)

http://www.politicalgifts.com/monicaciga rs.html


"Lobbyists Represent 'Real' Americans" - Hillary Clinton
by TarHeel on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:27:26 PM EST
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Re: I like tough primaries (none / 0)

The problem with that is that it is ALL about Hillary now.  I believe she'll win this nomination hands down, but what if not?  Say, Obama wins it, or even Edwards.  We will know everything there is to know about Hillary, the frontrunner, but we will not have done nearly as thorough a job (only scratched the surface) of vetting the other candidates.  That is the danger here, and that is why that last debate was such a joke.  I would have appreciated some questions about Edwards' inconsistencies (i.e. flown around via jet by known lobbyist at a rate of $850)  or Obama's (not a word about the McClurkin issue?  Shameful for "hard-hitting" Russert.)    If everything should be on the table, then ALL of it.  This 100% focus on Clinton does not serve us well, unless she wins it easily.  If she stumbles we are cheating ourselves out of "all card of the deck on the table" with any of our other candidates with the current track we are on.


by georgep on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 09:04:37 PM EST
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Re: I like tough primaries (none / 0)

I agree with you . Russert should not moderate again. This was a disservice to the voters.

While I believe the press should focus disproportionately on those with the best chances to win, lobbing up nothing but softballs to Obama and Edwards, and only asking Hillary the real questions does no body any good.


by alarabi7 on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 09:33:45 PM EST
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I don't think many (none / 0)

people under 50 are as familiar with all the details of the clinton scandals as you are.

heck I didn't know half the stuff  about it.

like Dick Morris and Bill actually polled whether americans would forgive a president who committed adultery


"Lobbyists Represent 'Real' Americans" - Hillary Clinton
by TarHeel on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 08:25:52 AM EST
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Re: I like tough primaries (2.00 / 1)

First of all, thank you for the civil tone of your comment.  It's much appreciated.  However, it is simply not true that Clinton supporters (like me) think it's all over except for the voting - we are all acutely aware that anything can happen.  However, many of us do believe that Dems should engage other Dems in a less confrontational way that the techniques that Edwards is using.

I don;t have any p[problem with the candidates slapping each other around a little, but they should decide to use a mace like Edwards.  I think his attacks are way over the top, and they don;t seem to be doing him any good.  No matter who the nominee is, I think that a rancorous primary from Dems hurts the party in the GE, and it just isn't worth it.

It is possible to articulate the differences between you and the next guy without kicking him in the stomach.  I'm not sure Edwards understands that.


Yes, I am a Clintonista for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 09:12:42 PM EST
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Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (2.00 / 1)

I used to enjoy reading her posts but she has become such a partisan Clinton hack that she isn't worth anyone's time. I think she made a financial decision to support Clinton (and/or back off from her) and attack the other candidates. She of course has the right to do this but she cannot pretend to be an unbiased journalist. She isn't and it is obvious.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 07:51:25 PM EST

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (none / 0)

Ridiculous.  She has had some very critical pieces aimed at Hillary Clinton, as recently as last week.  Please get your facts straight.   Why is everybody who agrees with your viewpoint (speaking to the larger Edwards-community here) bought and paid for by Clinton, a Clinton stooge, etc.   Seems very simple minded to go that route.  


by georgep on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:59:19 PM EST
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Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (none / 0)

Taylor admitted that she worked for Clinton. I didn't just make this shit up. She blogged it herself.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 05:07:01 AM EST
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Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (none / 0)

From the looks of it you made it up.  I don't read her blgo that often, but I have seen very critical pieces from her, plus she stated that she has not endorsed any of them.  If you have seen differently, provide a link please, which should be easy for you, ESPECIALLY if you contend that she is actually in CLINTON'S EMPLOY, as you claim here.   Otherwise, you just made stuff up, which is very bad form.


by georgep on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 07:29:54 AM EST
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Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (none / 0)

I didn't make this shit up. I am not going to look through all of her stuff to find the specific place she said it. I am not the only one that read and witnessed it.

She said it georgep. She frickin did. And just because you don't believe it doesn't change the facts.

Bad form is being an ass when the facts don't suit you. Being a Clinton supporter you would know a thing or two about that.


If it's good enough for Joey it's good enough for Hillary! Like two peas in a pod.
by Hillary Lieberman on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 08:27:48 PM EST
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I'm A Certifiable Internet Junkie (none / 0)

But I've only vaguely heard of this Taylor Marsh person. Damn. Big frickin' planet, huh?


by blues on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:38:24 PM EST

Re: I'm A Certifiable Internet Junkie (none / 0)

don't worry, u're not missing anything from ms. marsh. it's all junk when it comes to presidential race.


by pmb on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 09:15:59 PM EST
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Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (none / 0)

As an Obama supporter I enjoy Taylor's Show Me State common sense.  Taylor, hang in there and don't get upset on these silly attacks.  I hope to see you at a Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Dodd or Gravel victory party soon!


by howardpark on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 10:03:05 PM EST

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (none / 0)

Even Pelosi knows Clinton played the gender card.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2 008/story?id=3821689&page=1


"Well Hillary, I looking forward to you advising me as well." - Barack Obama
by General Sherman on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 10:50:18 PM EST

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (2.00 / 1)

Is this what you call serious political discussion?

"She banned me..."

Why should anyone be interested in reading or knowing such trivia?

As previous posters have said in recent weeks - the site is going downhill fast.  This thread is like a high-school scene.


by susie on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 12:29:05 AM EST

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (none / 0)

I see your point, and these types of diaries need to be kept to a minimum, but this one serves a purpose of exposing the bigot and hack that is Taylor Marsh.  


by santamonicadem on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 01:10:04 AM EST
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I Wish Somebody Would... (2.00 / 1)

.... come to my website, so I could ban them.


by blues on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 04:02:40 AM EST
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Repubs already know the Hillary bashing points (none / 0)

It is the height of idiocy for Taylor Marsh to suggest that Republicans would get ideas from us on how to bash Hillary. Where the hell has this person been all  these years? They ALREADY KNOW HOW TO INVESTIGATE ALL THE WEAKNESSES OF OUR CANDIDATES. And for good measure, they will create some of their own. Anything we find, they can find too.


by Pravin on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 12:45:45 AM EST

I Have Been Saying This... (none / 0)

.... all along. About a year ago, I produced a series of "hit diaries," summarizing the shortcomings of all the Democrats. I just figured, why not get it all out up front? If I can find the dirt on the internet, the Repugs can too. So why not get it all out beforehand. People here thought I was crazy, and bashed the hell out of me. Crazy like a fox!


by blues on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 04:12:01 AM EST
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She banned and scrubbed again (none / 0)

I posted a few comments taking issue with her latest screed last night from a different IP Address.  

This morning?  Scrubbed.

Coward.


by DrFrankLives on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 01:50:10 PM EST

Re: Why is Taylor Marsh afraid of me? (none / 0)

DrFrank, I just called her out for banning you on a recent diary where she was whining that she and others were being attacked for telling the truth!  The gall of that woman.  First of all, she doesn't know how to respond to disagreement to make her case (she attacks), and then she tries to deflect the issue to avoid what she's being called out for.  I expect to be banned soon.  But I think we need to keep up the pressure.  She needs to be exposed for her lazy, lame blogging.


by santamonicadem on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 02:19:09 PM EST


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